Malachai wrote:I'm gonna be at an army school for a month
*rubs eyes* Wait, the army has a "school"?
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by Karn » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:32 pm
Yep, it's one level past Cowboys and Indians!
In in Army school they use modern transportation, honest to goodness 3 wheel vehicles. The Army word for them is 'tricycle'. Complicated and expensive, but only the best for our troops!
The AF school mails you a piece of paper and they say, "Make it fly!" Short course. They test your aeroplane in the principals office.
The Marine school is all based on how good your 'High n Tight' looks, one inspection. If you pass you get a hallway pass. Fail, your sent back to the barber with a stern note.
The Coast Guard school is 2 laps across the pool with no crying for your momma and only 1 floaty, extra points for a SpongeBob swimsuit.
In in Army school they use modern transportation, honest to goodness 3 wheel vehicles. The Army word for them is 'tricycle'. Complicated and expensive, but only the best for our troops!
The AF school mails you a piece of paper and they say, "Make it fly!" Short course. They test your aeroplane in the principals office.
The Marine school is all based on how good your 'High n Tight' looks, one inspection. If you pass you get a hallway pass. Fail, your sent back to the barber with a stern note.
The Coast Guard school is 2 laps across the pool with no crying for your momma and only 1 floaty, extra points for a SpongeBob swimsuit.
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by Karn » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:34 am
Good idea! Sorry bout the hijack. Once it started I couldn't stop. And I forgot the Navy.
Hehe, had to come up with something, I know the schools are important cuz in the AF I did more than a few of those.
Hehe, had to come up with something, I know the schools are important cuz in the AF I did more than a few of those.
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by Tracy » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:00 am
Yeah...military in general is bad about making schools for what seems like no reason whatsoever.
In the Army, for each rank E-5 and above there is a school you have to go to.
For E-5, it's WLC (Warrior Leadership Course), formerly PLDC (primary leadership development course, which made more sense. The new course has the same curriculum with a different name. Why they changed it, I don't know).
For E-6 it's BNCOC (Basic NCO Course, pronounced Bee-knock)
E-7 is ANCOC (Advanced NCO Course, pronounced A-knock)
E-8 is First Sergeant's Academy
E-9 is Sergeant Major's Academy.
And each of them is similar to basic training (boot camp) with the mentality and treatment. Just different in course material.
In the Army, for each rank E-5 and above there is a school you have to go to.
For E-5, it's WLC (Warrior Leadership Course), formerly PLDC (primary leadership development course, which made more sense. The new course has the same curriculum with a different name. Why they changed it, I don't know).
For E-6 it's BNCOC (Basic NCO Course, pronounced Bee-knock)
E-7 is ANCOC (Advanced NCO Course, pronounced A-knock)
E-8 is First Sergeant's Academy
E-9 is Sergeant Major's Academy.
And each of them is similar to basic training (boot camp) with the mentality and treatment. Just different in course material.
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by Karn » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:51 am
I know it sounds all military by the names and everything, but the course material is actually pretty deep, and few civ's understand that. There is hours of material on human relations, management styles and methods, and so much more. Not a bit about specific skills etc., once you hit E-7 it's all about management.
Yes, the Army and Marines have the required 'Dirt' stuff to do while at these schools, in the AF we had none of that. But the amount of solid management training is amazing. Thats why so many E-7 through E-9 do so well in the civilian world after their retirement. Their training and motivation to 'do the right thing' puts them in the perfect place to excel. And so few inside promoted civilian managers have had no management training at all, unless they went to college on their own. Budget? Motivation? Manpower efficiency? Crisis solving? Parts/Supply discipline? Sorley lacking from what I have seen.
When I went to the NCO Academy (E-7), we had to run 1.5 miles three times a week after classes, and do the flag formation at the beginning and end of each day. The rest of the 38 days was all classroom or seminar. I know yours was the same except for a bit more dirt stuff.
Yes, the Army and Marines have the required 'Dirt' stuff to do while at these schools, in the AF we had none of that. But the amount of solid management training is amazing. Thats why so many E-7 through E-9 do so well in the civilian world after their retirement. Their training and motivation to 'do the right thing' puts them in the perfect place to excel. And so few inside promoted civilian managers have had no management training at all, unless they went to college on their own. Budget? Motivation? Manpower efficiency? Crisis solving? Parts/Supply discipline? Sorley lacking from what I have seen.
When I went to the NCO Academy (E-7), we had to run 1.5 miles three times a week after classes, and do the flag formation at the beginning and end of each day. The rest of the 38 days was all classroom or seminar. I know yours was the same except for a bit more dirt stuff.
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by WaltRam » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:46 pm
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You make it almost sound like the courses aren't worth much and because you seem to be a highly intelligent guy, that may be the reason. In reality, they weren't necessarily designed for the highly intelligent guy, they were designed for the Average person and therefore, many folks walk away from those schools learning things that will help them in their careers. I can tell you that I did not learn much in BNCOC, but not because I am smart, but because I had good leaders that taught me good leadership traits before I went to school and when I got there, it was a great refresher to be able to see how 15 of your peers led so it was a worthwhile course. I am just suggesting you don't discount them because you did not get anything out of them, because the majority do. And when you get to the level of E8 and E9 I guarntee they will teach you things you did not know.
You make it almost sound like the courses aren't worth much and because you seem to be a highly intelligent guy, that may be the reason. In reality, they weren't necessarily designed for the highly intelligent guy, they were designed for the Average person and therefore, many folks walk away from those schools learning things that will help them in their careers. I can tell you that I did not learn much in BNCOC, but not because I am smart, but because I had good leaders that taught me good leadership traits before I went to school and when I got there, it was a great refresher to be able to see how 15 of your peers led so it was a worthwhile course. I am just suggesting you don't discount them because you did not get anything out of them, because the majority do. And when you get to the level of E8 and E9 I guarntee they will teach you things you did not know.
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